Mark Kaboly

in that age, like you said, but I think he's still a very good ball player, and I think he has that contract that makes it very hard to move.

Now, come to me next year or the year after that, I think that's where you have to start looking ahead and say, how do we keep Herbig around for a couple years to make sure there's a transition there maybe.

Team MVP.

Well, defensive MPP.

I mean, his big bugaboo was his injuries, right?

Herbig's been hurt a lot, too.

So, I mean, I don't know how one organ... Do you come back then with all four?

You have to sign Herbig.

If you can somehow convince Herbig, what are you, 23, almost 24?

He's right around that age.

Yeah.

To say, hey, we'll give you some cash right now, two years.

But once TJ's gone after this two years, you're our guy.

Then you can really cash out at 25, 26.

But you're taking the injury risk if you're him then.

Yeah, you are, but you are getting paid.

I mean, how much do you think he is in the open market?

That's hard to determine.

Even though he's been injured, he hasn't had the number of snaps.

Wouldn't there be some questions if he can be more than a 300, 400 snap guy?