Mark Kerr

Oh, incredible.

In that time frame.

Because it's a short time frame because, again, it's asking the question of like, okay, championship fight, 25 minutes, five five-minute rounds.

How do you train for it?

Can't do it.

So this is like observationally.

Usually in a championship fight, if it's a striker against a wrestler, usually the first two rounds, strikers usually have that advantage.

In the third round...

if you go back and watch this third round the grappler starts to impose a little bit more on him right and then fourth fourth and fifth round is the grappler completely just takes that fight over because it's one of those things where you it's that grind yes it's that it's also a big part of being able to stuff take do you want some coffee yeah the big part of being able to stuff takedowns is having energy oh my god it's everything guys trying to you up and take you down

No.

I'm just going to grind you into a pulp, and that's that control thing, right?

Yeah.

Part of what I go... Like, if I look at my fighting going, I was never going to be the best striker.

Like, never going to be the best kicker, puncher.

But if I could turn you into a wrestler...

That's that was the secret sauce for me.

Yeah, I just need to make you wrestle me Yeah, and I'm good right because I know I can fucking beat the fuck out of you wrestling.

Yeah The key was transitioning to make you wrestle me.

Hamza, that's the example.

That's elite, elite, elite wrestler.