Mark Manson

actually way more common.

Most people come out of a traumatic experience believing that they're stronger, that they have more clarity in their life, that they have a stronger sense of what's important to them and what's not important to them.

A massive sudden negative event can cause that collapse of your values and cause you to question everything and, you know, reassemble your entire adaptation structure.

I think another example is what's these days known as hitting bottom, hitting rock bottom.

And I think that's more of like a William James type story.

Things just have to devolve slowly over a long period of time.

Like you basically have to watch

All of your decisions fail.

All of your relationships fail.

All of your goals and ambitions fail for an extended period of time.

And you have to reach a point of such intense pain and suffering that you're like, okay, I'm willing to just start over from scratch.

I'm willing to throw everything out the window and adopt any belief that just

gets the pain to stop yeah that's the arena of addicts right this is where you see you know hitting rock bottom and they they talk about how beautiful it can be for for an addict even yeah in addiction circles too you know it's like people will suffer intensely but they still won't drop their base assumptions oh right like they'll still kind of hold on to some of the narratives and adaptations and habits that they have i think we can all relate to that a little bit yeah and then and it's interesting because

In addiction circles, like the recovered addicts will say like, okay, you still haven't suffered enough.

You haven't hit bottom yet, right?

Like bottom, when you hit bottom, it is everything is destroyed.

Like you have nothing left of yourself, of your life, of anything.

And then that's when you can start rebuilding from a new.

And then the third way to achieve quantum change is through this mystical experience.

And this could be a sudden spontaneous religious experience.