Mark Manson

You know, it's sometimes change happens to you.

It's not something that you do.

And this was completely unplanned.

We never expected you to be on the, like co-hosting the podcast.

It kind of just like- I wanted to be a producer.

That's what I wanted.

Yeah.

Like we kind of just tried it once and it went really well.

And so we just kept doing it.

And it's interesting because I think my perception of you has lagged reality, right?

Like-

For a long time, I still saw you as like researcher, editor, you know, curator, right?

And sometimes when new experiences and new realities are thrust upon us, there's still a lag time with our identity, right?

Yeah, it's interesting.

What's interesting about adopting new behaviors as well is that sometimes it's easier to substitute one habit with another habit.

And you see this come up a lot in addiction recovery groups.

A lot of people will actually encourage people, if you stop drinking alcohol, find something else you can replace it with.

Even if it's junk food, even if it's cigarettes, even if it's something else that's unhealthy, just make it less unhealthy than the thing you're replacing.

And I think this makes sense, right?

If you view everything as an adaptation, you can't just rip out that adaptation from somebody's life.