Mark Mitchell

And so Taylor is trying now to link, and he hasn't put numbers on it, by the way.

I had his immigration spokesman on Sky last night, and he wouldn't either.

They're going to wait.

They'll unload that when they get closer to the election, which is still two years away.

But Angus Taylor, as you would have seen,

said that people should not be allowed into Australia if they don't believe in democracy, freedom of speech and freedom of association, warning that, quote, we have stopped

celebrating our great nation.

Now, these are all very motherhood statements.

How do you prove that?

Where do you go to get people who believe in the great Australian values?

What are they?

I would say that in 2026, many Australians who've been here for their whole lives couldn't tell you what that exactly is.

How this is all going to work in practice is not exactly clear.

But one thing that is clear is there will be a focus on countries that are, quote, social democracies.

Who are they?

Well, you, obviously, New Zealand, but the UK, the US, and Japan were the three countries that Angus Taylor mentioned.

Tony Burke, who holds a seat in Sydney full of people who have migrated from the Middle East...

also slammed the policy in saying that Angus Taylor doesn't know what he's doing.

So this is the first real shot, I think, Mike, in the lead-up to the next election.

So two-part question.