Mark Mitchell

But the important thing is to get the information to people so that they can make decisions themselves because the best response to these events is whole of society with people taking some personal responsibility, making their own evaluations and making decisions.

But I do want to defend the mayors on this because...

I work very closely with them, and I always encourage them, and when they make their declarations early and make decisions early, I always support that because the best way for these responses is to make decisions early, pre-position, pre-prepare, and be ready that we can deal with worst-case scenario because the way that we look on the world, and I have to look on the world, is always worst-case scenario because every time we don't is when we get caught out.

All right, fair enough.

Ginny, did you read Thomas Coghlan's piece over the weekend on the problems that the Labour Party now have with the lack of policy and standing on the tiles not being able to answer questions?

Is Thomas wrong?

So is it a perception then, and does the perception worry you?

Or has he just made that up and it's not a thing at all?

I think their approach is to just try and remain a small target.

That's why you're not seeing any major policy coming out.

They definitely wouldn't know how to deal with the situation that we're dealing with now.

That's why you're not seeing anything come out from them there in terms of policing.

Ginny's been out with our beat squads that we stood up congratulating them on the outstanding work.

I'm just saying it was great.

Well, it doesn't sound like it to me.

It sounds like you're having a go at them.

They're doing an outstanding job.

Yeah, well, when you talk to those cops, when you talk to those cops, Mark, and you say...

when they were last in government, was reduce the prison population by 30%.

And look what we got.