Mark Siljander

But one of the things that you were fleshing out, investigating, was the possibility that the doctrinal differences with regards to the circumstances of Christ's conception and birth were less evident at odds than might be if you were ultimately pessimistic, right? Because the question is, for me, look, the Abraham Accords demonstrated that

People of goodwill could circumvent the State Department and, what would you say, accumulated doctrinal diplomatic wisdom that it was impossible to negotiate peace between the Arab world and the Israelis, absent an agreement on Palestine, which was never going to happen because... the Iranians, it's in the Iranians' best interest to keep the Palestine conflict with the Jews going on forever.

People of goodwill could circumvent the State Department and, what would you say, accumulated doctrinal diplomatic wisdom that it was impossible to negotiate peace between the Arab world and the Israelis, absent an agreement on Palestine, which was never going to happen because... the Iranians, it's in the Iranians' best interest to keep the Palestine conflict with the Jews going on forever.

People of goodwill could circumvent the State Department and, what would you say, accumulated doctrinal diplomatic wisdom that it was impossible to negotiate peace between the Arab world and the Israelis, absent an agreement on Palestine, which was never going to happen because... the Iranians, it's in the Iranians' best interest to keep the Palestine conflict with the Jews going on forever.

And so that's a non-starter. And the Abraham Accords signatories just walked around that in quite a remarkable way. And I don't think that that's an accomplishment that's been heralded sufficiently. And I know that the people, particularly in the UAE, they've built that tri-faith complex.

And so that's a non-starter. And the Abraham Accords signatories just walked around that in quite a remarkable way. And I don't think that that's an accomplishment that's been heralded sufficiently. And I know that the people, particularly in the UAE, they've built that tri-faith complex.

And so that's a non-starter. And the Abraham Accords signatories just walked around that in quite a remarkable way. And I don't think that that's an accomplishment that's been heralded sufficiently. And I know that the people, particularly in the UAE, they've built that tri-faith complex.

And they seem to be working towards a solution that's similar to the one that you're pursuing, which would be the idea that, well, maybe we should start with our commonalities and see what we could do. negotiate so that we could establish something approximating at least a lasting and cooperative peace right as opposed to continual warfare now

And they seem to be working towards a solution that's similar to the one that you're pursuing, which would be the idea that, well, maybe we should start with our commonalities and see what we could do. negotiate so that we could establish something approximating at least a lasting and cooperative peace right as opposed to continual warfare now

And they seem to be working towards a solution that's similar to the one that you're pursuing, which would be the idea that, well, maybe we should start with our commonalities and see what we could do. negotiate so that we could establish something approximating at least a lasting and cooperative peace right as opposed to continual warfare now

I was stunned, first of all, that the Abraham Accords were ever signed, but I was also more stunned that they held in the aftermath of October 7th. I know the Saudis backed off and everything got kind of quiet about Arab-Israeli cooperation, but the... The Accords didn't fracture.

I was stunned, first of all, that the Abraham Accords were ever signed, but I was also more stunned that they held in the aftermath of October 7th. I know the Saudis backed off and everything got kind of quiet about Arab-Israeli cooperation, but the... The Accords didn't fracture.

I was stunned, first of all, that the Abraham Accords were ever signed, but I was also more stunned that they held in the aftermath of October 7th. I know the Saudis backed off and everything got kind of quiet about Arab-Israeli cooperation, but the... The Accords didn't fracture.

And then more recently, I noticed that the UAE in particular, but also the Saudis, have taken steps to do something that the West is very loath to do, especially the UK, France, and Germany, which is to define radical Islam, right, Islamism, to set it outside the canonical Islamic doctrine and to oppose it.

And then more recently, I noticed that the UAE in particular, but also the Saudis, have taken steps to do something that the West is very loath to do, especially the UK, France, and Germany, which is to define radical Islam, right, Islamism, to set it outside the canonical Islamic doctrine and to oppose it.

And then more recently, I noticed that the UAE in particular, but also the Saudis, have taken steps to do something that the West is very loath to do, especially the UK, France, and Germany, which is to define radical Islam, right, Islamism, to set it outside the canonical Islamic doctrine and to oppose it.

And the leaders in the UAE have called out Germany and England, or the UK in particular, for being weak in their opposition to Islamism, which the UAE and the Saudis don't regard as part of canonical Islamic tradition. If I got that, is that in accordance with how you... Yes, indeed.

And the leaders in the UAE have called out Germany and England, or the UK in particular, for being weak in their opposition to Islamism, which the UAE and the Saudis don't regard as part of canonical Islamic tradition. If I got that, is that in accordance with how you... Yes, indeed.

And the leaders in the UAE have called out Germany and England, or the UK in particular, for being weak in their opposition to Islamism, which the UAE and the Saudis don't regard as part of canonical Islamic tradition. If I got that, is that in accordance with how you... Yes, indeed.

Okay. And the Abrahamic Accords... were not lauded anywhere near what they should have been. I was privileged to be in the gardens at the White House watching the signatories and working with North Sudan where I visited 24 times, a hard tomb and the surroundings, to encourage them to participate, which they did, as did Morocco as well. So the Abraham Accords began to extend.