Mark Watson

Let's just get rid of it.

If they're good enough to be in All Black and they can play during a test window and they can go to South Africa, let's pick them, whether it be Mawanga, whether it be Afehe, whether it be whoever.

We've just got to have our best players available.

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No, no, I've got the day off, got a bit of work to do.

But look, I've just got to say, it's nice to have Jamie and it's nice to have somebody that potentially could challenge me intellectually.

I struggle week to week with that.

Look, I think for a long time there was at times a sort of a sense of arrogance.

I think after the 2007 Rugby World Cup, I think talking to Darren Shand, I think it all took them a couple of years to actually genuinely sit down and admit that perhaps they had got it wrong instead of maybe laying blame at the referees and stuff.

Look, it's an interesting one, isn't it?

This appointment of Sir Graeme Henry.

You could sort of argue that it sort of, I don't know, maybe subtly undermines confidence in sort of the current coaching structure in this country.

I mean, I don't know, maybe some uncertainty around leadership, tactical clarity.

But I also think what it does just prove that I do think this All Black team has drifted from proven All Black standards.

Look, I think it's a good acquisition.

I think that, you know, it is proven.

But, you know, there is a philosophical debate around it, and we often talk, don't we, about the All Blacks leading, we're about evolution, we're about innovation, we're about sort of modernisation, which I think is very much where the All Blacks historically have been.

It's funny, isn't it, when things start to go pear-shaped, we go back to the future, we continue to sort of return to the former greats, the likes of obviously now Graham Henry, Wayne Smith,