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Mark Zuckerberg

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

I think that there's a lot of different possibilities for how stuff goes in the future. Now, I do think that there's this issue, which is a lot of like, well, psychologically, I understand what you're saying. Yeah. I think individual creators or publishers tend to overestimate the value of their specific content. So it's like, okay, maybe in the grand scheme of this.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

So we have this set of challenges with news publishers around the world, which is like, okay, a lot of folks are constantly kind of asking, to be paid for the content. And on the other hand, we have our community, which is asking us to show less news because it makes them feel bad, right? And I mean, we talked about that.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

So we have this set of challenges with news publishers around the world, which is like, okay, a lot of folks are constantly kind of asking, to be paid for the content. And on the other hand, we have our community, which is asking us to show less news because it makes them feel bad, right? And I mean, we talked about that.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

So we have this set of challenges with news publishers around the world, which is like, okay, a lot of folks are constantly kind of asking, to be paid for the content. And on the other hand, we have our community, which is asking us to show less news because it makes them feel bad, right? And I mean, we talked about that.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

So it's like, there's this issue, which is, okay, it's like, actually, we're showing some amount of the news that we're showing because we think it's socially important against what our community wants. Like if we were actually just following what our community wants, we'd show even less than we're showing. And you see that in the data that people just don't like to engage with this stuff.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

So it's like, there's this issue, which is, okay, it's like, actually, we're showing some amount of the news that we're showing because we think it's socially important against what our community wants. Like if we were actually just following what our community wants, we'd show even less than we're showing. And you see that in the data that people just don't like to engage with this stuff.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

So it's like, there's this issue, which is, okay, it's like, actually, we're showing some amount of the news that we're showing because we think it's socially important against what our community wants. Like if we were actually just following what our community wants, we'd show even less than we're showing. And you see that in the data that people just don't like to engage with this stuff.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

And we've had these issues where sometimes we, Like publishers say, okay, if you're not going to pay us, then pull our content down. And it's just like, yeah, sure. Fine. Pull, pull your content down. I mean, that sucks. I'd rather people be able to share it. But to some degree, some of these questions have to get tested by their negotiations and they have to get tested by people walking. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

And we've had these issues where sometimes we, Like publishers say, okay, if you're not going to pay us, then pull our content down. And it's just like, yeah, sure. Fine. Pull, pull your content down. I mean, that sucks. I'd rather people be able to share it. But to some degree, some of these questions have to get tested by their negotiations and they have to get tested by people walking. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

And we've had these issues where sometimes we, Like publishers say, okay, if you're not going to pay us, then pull our content down. And it's just like, yeah, sure. Fine. Pull, pull your content down. I mean, that sucks. I'd rather people be able to share it. But to some degree, some of these questions have to get tested by their negotiations and they have to get tested by people walking. Yeah.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

And then at the end, once people walk, you figure out where the value really is. If it really is the case that news was a big thing that the community wanted, then, I mean, look, we're a big company. We could probably, you know, we pay for content when it's valuable to people. We're just not going to pay for content when it's not valuable to people.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

And then at the end, once people walk, you figure out where the value really is. If it really is the case that news was a big thing that the community wanted, then, I mean, look, we're a big company. We could probably, you know, we pay for content when it's valuable to people. We're just not going to pay for content when it's not valuable to people.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

And then at the end, once people walk, you figure out where the value really is. If it really is the case that news was a big thing that the community wanted, then, I mean, look, we're a big company. We could probably, you know, we pay for content when it's valuable to people. We're just not going to pay for content when it's not valuable to people.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

i think that you'll probably see a similar dynamic with ai which is my guess is that there are going to be certain partnerships that get made when content is really important and valuable and i'd guess that there's probably a lot of people who kind of have a concern about like the feel of it like you're saying but then when push comes to shove if they demanded that we take that we don't use their content then we just wouldn't use their content and it's not like you know that's going to change the outcome of the stuff that much

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

i think that you'll probably see a similar dynamic with ai which is my guess is that there are going to be certain partnerships that get made when content is really important and valuable and i'd guess that there's probably a lot of people who kind of have a concern about like the feel of it like you're saying but then when push comes to shove if they demanded that we take that we don't use their content then we just wouldn't use their content and it's not like you know that's going to change the outcome of the stuff that much

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

i think that you'll probably see a similar dynamic with ai which is my guess is that there are going to be certain partnerships that get made when content is really important and valuable and i'd guess that there's probably a lot of people who kind of have a concern about like the feel of it like you're saying but then when push comes to shove if they demanded that we take that we don't use their content then we just wouldn't use their content and it's not like you know that's going to change the outcome of the stuff that much

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

I think that's going to be another platform too, and you're going to have a lot of these questions as well. I mean, I think the interesting thing about holograms and augmented reality is it's going to be this intermingling of the physical and digital much more than we've had in other platforms.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

I think that's going to be another platform too, and you're going to have a lot of these questions as well. I mean, I think the interesting thing about holograms and augmented reality is it's going to be this intermingling of the physical and digital much more than we've had in other platforms.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

I think that's going to be another platform too, and you're going to have a lot of these questions as well. I mean, I think the interesting thing about holograms and augmented reality is it's going to be this intermingling of the physical and digital much more than we've had in other platforms.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why Mark Zuckerberg wants to end the smartphone era

Where on your phone, it's like, okay, yeah, we live a primarily physical world, but then you have this small window into this digital world. And I think we're going to basically have this world in the future that is...