Mark Zuckerberg

And maybe for the stuff that they're doing that works, maybe that just fits with their culture. But for us, I think that there are a lot of conversations that we have internally where you're almost at the line of being embarrassed about what you put out. Because it's obviously not in the sense that it's like you want to put stuff out early enough so you can get good feedback.

And maybe for the stuff that they're doing that works, maybe that just fits with their culture. But for us, I think that there are a lot of conversations that we have internally where you're almost at the line of being embarrassed about what you put out. Because it's obviously not in the sense that it's like you want to put stuff out early enough so you can get good feedback.

you obviously want to test things that are reasonable hypotheses. So if it's so ineffective, then you're not testing a good hypothesis. That doesn't work. But I do think a lot of the conversations that we have are like, OK, well, we can get this to be a lot better if we work on it for another couple of months or whatever.

you obviously want to test things that are reasonable hypotheses. So if it's so ineffective, then you're not testing a good hypothesis. That doesn't work. But I do think a lot of the conversations that we have are like, OK, well, we can get this to be a lot better if we work on it for another couple of months or whatever.

I do just think that you want to really have a culture that values shipping and getting things out and getting feedback more than needing always to get great positive accolades from people when you put stuff out.

I do just think that you want to really have a culture that values shipping and getting things out and getting feedback more than needing always to get great positive accolades from people when you put stuff out.

Because I think if you want to wait until you get praised all the time, you're missing a bunch of the time when you could have learned a bunch of useful stuff and then incorporated that into the next version you were going to ship.

Because I think if you want to wait until you get praised all the time, you're missing a bunch of the time when you could have learned a bunch of useful stuff and then incorporated that into the next version you were going to ship.

Well, I would like to hope that it's not damaging to the brand, but... Well, but innately it is.

Well, I would like to hope that it's not damaging to the brand, but... Well, but innately it is.

Yeah, I don't want to overstate it. I mean, we don't ship things that we think are bad, but we also don't take... We want to make sure that we're shipping things that... that are kind of early enough that we can get good feedback to see what they're gonna be most used for.

Yeah, I don't want to overstate it. I mean, we don't ship things that we think are bad, but we also don't take... We want to make sure that we're shipping things that... that are kind of early enough that we can get good feedback to see what they're gonna be most used for.

Like I think a lot of the AI stuff that we're building now, for example, it actually, you know, it's pretty clear that AI is going to be transformative for a lot of different things. It is actually less clear what are gonna be the initial use cases for a lot of these things that are super valuable.

Like I think a lot of the AI stuff that we're building now, for example, it actually, you know, it's pretty clear that AI is going to be transformative for a lot of different things. It is actually less clear what are gonna be the initial use cases for a lot of these things that are super valuable.

And so, okay, part of it is like, okay, you put something out, you wanna kind of collect feedback and what people are actually, what it's, you know, where it's resonating. If what you put out is bad, then you're not going to collect good data because people aren't going to use it for anything because it sucks.

And so, okay, part of it is like, okay, you put something out, you wanna kind of collect feedback and what people are actually, what it's, you know, where it's resonating. If what you put out is bad, then you're not going to collect good data because people aren't going to use it for anything because it sucks.

But I do think that you have hypotheses for what people might really want to use it for, and they're not all going to be right, and you want to kind of go early enough on that as more, yeah.

But I do think that you have hypotheses for what people might really want to use it for, and they're not all going to be right, and you want to kind of go early enough on that as more, yeah.

Does it have to be one or the other? I mean, I think it's a combination. I think you're basically taking some kind of values either kind of like values that you have or a value for something that you believe should exist in the world and trying to build something that's aligned with that while trying to match it up with what is going to resonate the most with people.

Does it have to be one or the other? I mean, I think it's a combination. I think you're basically taking some kind of values either kind of like values that you have or a value for something that you believe should exist in the world and trying to build something that's aligned with that while trying to match it up with what is going to resonate the most with people.