Mark Zuckerberg

Yeah.

But I mean, over time, I think that there's a flow to all these things.

And there's, you know, one of the, one of, I don't know, my experiences that I think kind of transcends, you know, running a company and the different

different activities that i like doing are i i really believe that like if you're going to accomplish whatever anything a lot of it is just being willing to push through right and having the grit and determination to to to push through difficult situations um i think for a lot of people that um that ends up being sort of a difference maker between the people you know who who kind of get the most done and not i mean there's all these questions about like

um you know how how many days people want to work and things like that i think almost all the people who like start successful companies or things like that are just are working extremely hard but i think one of the things that you learn both by doing this over time or you know very acutely with things like jujitsu or surfing is um you can't push through everything and i think that that's

You learn this stuff very acutely doing sports compared to running a company because running a company, the cycle times are so long, right?

It's like you start a project and then it's like months later or if you're building hardware, it could be years later before you're actually getting feedback and able to make the next set of decisions for the next version of the thing that you're doing.

Whereas one of the things that I just think is mentally so nice about these very high turnaround cycles

conditioning sports things like that is you get feedback very quickly right it's like okay like i don't counter something correctly you get punched in the face right so not in jiu-jitsu you don't you don't get punched in jiu-jitsu but in mma um there are all these analogies between all these things that i think actually hold that are that are like important life lessons right it's like okay you're surfing a wave it's like

you know sometimes you're like you can't go in the other direction on it right it's like there are limits to kind of what you know it's like a foil you can you can pump the foil and and push pretty hard in a bunch of directions but like yeah you you know it's at some level like the momentum against you is is strong enough you're that's not going to work and and i do think that um

that's sort of a, a humbling, but also an important lesson for, and I think people who are running things or building things, it's like, yeah, you, you, um, you know, a lot of the game is just being able to kind of push and, and, and, and work through complicated things, but you also need to kind of have enough of an understanding of like which things you're, you just can't push through and where, where, um, um, the finesse is more important.

What are your jujitsu life lessons?

Yeah, sure.

I think you're right, first of all, that in the last year, there have been a bunch of advances on scaling up these large transformer models.

So there's the language equivalent of it with large language models.

There's sort of the image generation equivalent with these large diffusion models.

There's a lot of fundamental research that's gone into this.

And

meta has taken the approach of being quite open and academic in in in our development um of of ai part of this is we want to have the best people in the world researching this and um

And a lot of the best people want to know that they're going to be able to share their work.