Martha McCallum

Yeah, we're up there.

Yeah.

And Maramondani said, you know, had argued that you can't force people off the streets into shelters, that it's not humane or compassionate to force them to move so that they don't die.

So I don't know, to Greg's point, like, I don't know what their definition is of compassion, but if that's a person that is in my family who has gone down the wrong road, I would love for someone to pick them up and get them someplace warm so they don't starve, so they don't freeze to death.

But how is this San Francisco mayor getting rid of the people on the streets?

Where are they going?

Because a lot of times people don't want to go anywhere.

Well, I think that's exactly one of the big problems, right?

I mean, you see all the banks now saying, you know, we're not going to use DEI when we choose our board members.

We're going to actually do it based on merit and people who we think can help the bottom line and help shareholders make more money because that's what boards are supposed to do.

I think that, you know, after especially after I think George Floyd, there was like a almost there was this bullying effort to say, like, what you haven't put out a statement yet.

Company ABC.

Why didn't you put out your statement?

Do you support Black Lives Matter?

And then we saw what happened with Black Lives Matter.

And then, you know, these corporations got to a point where they're like, you know what?

I think we better get back to, you know, doing our business and making sure that we are creating jobs, creating income.

That's what we're supposed to do.

That's a mission of a business.

And they found that they don't have these folks wrapped around their finger anymore and they don't like it.