Martin Devlin

So they're going to relish what they can do.

That's for sure.

I think...

I have to answer on both sides because what you've done to date has to stand somewhere, but you have to just clean the slate and move forward.

We've approached it as a new competition.

We move into that space.

What you've done before only carries you so far.

And I think this year, Martin, has shown that at the right time, a team can come up and beat any team.

And we've seen a couple of those things pop up.

You know, the Hurricanes, Brumbies, beware.

If the Brumbies get going, it's a game that they can win.

That's for sure.

For ourselves, we've just approached it that this is a massive opportunity and a massive challenge if you can put those two things together.

So it's more of being, let's look at this through a new lens and let's go out there.

This is do and die now and...

Let's go and see what we can do.

It's a good question.

I'm

I'd say I'll start from the other side, which is the Kiwi teams.

I think they've certainly all, particularly early, were in a very good vein of form early in the season.