Martin Hart

And let's bear in mind, most of the criticism that you see in the media and other places, most notably from the

uh, American ambassador is, is on Dublin city and, and, and it's, uh, it's litter.

So you, you can't have both things.

You either want a well-managed and clean city, you know, and, and with that, there, there, there comes certain, I suppose, costs, um, and, uh, in dealing with that.

But I mean, I, I,

But I hear the argument.

I don't necessarily agree with it.

I mean, everyone else has to do it.

Why should Stoney Banner be different?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, look, it's, I suppose it's, it's a measure of success in many ways of the return scheme that you have people like we, we see a lot of scavengers around in the city and, and in other places and they're, they're not all what you might think, but yeah, it's, it's, it is, it is a big issue.

People are going around, they're emptying bins for returning to get the money.

Now, some of that obviously is for some vulnerable people, but I've, I've seen people who, who aren't vulnerable do it.

And I think kids and teenagers do it as well.

It's a thing and it's maybe an unexpected outcome of what was introduced, but it does happen.

I look, I don't think it's a serious problem, but I do think it's an issue and it's something that's new.

And we, we do see it.

Like, I mean, yes, sometimes in Tampa bar, particularly in the evening times where maybe you have some bigger commercial outlets putting out their bins that might say, for example, have a lot of plastics in it.

You do see people come and empty the bins, strip them, empty them out now.

I do have to say, I see a lot of those people, once they got their bags and their cans out, they put the rubbish back into the bins.