Martin Kleppmann

You do get people who go straight from their undergraduate degree and master's into doing a PhD.

but sometimes those people can just lack a bit of the breadth of perspective and so i think having seen a bit of just real world engineering is actually really helpful for people even if they then want to stay in research but in the opposite direction i think it can work very well too because in in research research and academia we just get to think things through a lot more carefully than

People often do in industry, often people in industry, I feel like sort of have short circuit reasoning, like don't maybe don't quite reason something through from first principles, but just like, oh, I heard this from a conference talk.

I'm just going to go with that.

And oh, yeah, what academia can teach is.

this sort of nuanced and critical thinking to really reason through trade-offs, for example, and to really justify why something is true.

And so I think it's really good, actually, if people can weave in and out of industry and academia a bit and not regard it as two totally mutually exclusive career paths, but actually have a bit of switching between the two.