Martin Lewis

Some of my steps, because I have an elliptical at home, and my first 40 minutes most mornings, if I don't go out for a run, I run once or twice a week, but my knees can't cope with the running, I do it on the elliptical.

For those who don't know, that's the one where you sort of... It's like a smooth way of running that stops the impact on your knees, where you're moving your arms...

I absolutely think those are legitimate steps.

They tend to count less.

If you go on a treadmill, you'll be getting around 150, 160 steps a minute.

If you're running elliptical, it's around 130 steps a minute.

If you're running outdoors, it's around 180 steps a minute.

It tends to count less, and it depends where you position your hands, than actually running.

But I do think you are doing steps.

Elliptical move is a step equivalent.

I mean, it's an equivalent to running, and it's more energetic than walking.

If you were getting your steps for baking, let's say, and rolling dough, I tend to think that is a bit of a cheat.

Certainly, I mean, if you're doing it for 20 minutes, it's not really a problem.

But if you were doing that every day, like a baker friend of mine who claims to get lots of steps, who rolls dough a lot, I think that's probably more cheating than actually getting yourself on exercise equipment in the gym.

And when you become obsessed by this, as I am...

I actually tend not to cycle because you don't get steps cycling.

I've even tried putting the fitness track around my ankle to get the steps.

So it puts me off cycling because I don't get my steps.

So the last thing I want to do, Neil, is put you off getting your cardio in on your elliptical by saying your steps don't count.

So to Neil's friend, leave it, all right?