Martin Markey

What they are looking for is to stand down this regulation.

Well, I suppose what we're talking about there is clustering, and that's a good idea.

So beside a village, you would have a service field, and then that would be sold to people to build a number of houses.

So that in itself, that is a very good idea.

We'd like to see that rolled out, but we haven't seen it rolled out hitherto.

Well, I suppose in terms of building materials, we're kind of agnostic on that with the hardware associations.

So whether people are buying the building materials to build their own house or a holiday home, we're kind of agnostic on that.

But I suppose in terms of public policy.

Well, I suppose in terms of housing policy, in terms of public policy, what they could do is put in a proviso whereby it can't be used as a holiday home for certainly a period of time.

We would say there'd be a massive demand for above the shop rejuvenation.

We estimate, I think, about five, six thousand per annum.

If you do a count in nearly every town and village in the country, there's a huge cohort of empty and hardly used above the shop space.

So again, there's huge potential in that.