Martin Wolf

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Then the question is, well, what do you do?

And I think they're still, really and truly, the Europeans are at an early stage of deciding what they want to do, and they find it difficult to agree.

Very difficult.

There are so many of them with different attitudes, values, historical relations.

They don't trust one another.

Very important point, by the way.

The European history is not so far beneath the surface.

So I think we are there at the stage of absolute intellectual, moral confusion, but they don't trust Trump.

Well, one of the problems we have is we don't feel, looking at the whole range of what's going on in the United States, that this administration really does believe in free speech.

To put it mildly, quite a bit of hypocrisy going on.

I don't think I need to lay that out for your audience.

But there are, I suppose, a number of different elements in this story.

I think that the administration is right, but I don't think they're honest in their critique, but that some governments, my own included, have gone too far in protecting people from what is called hate speech, and that there is a perfectly good argument that

both in private institutions, universities, and so forth, and in public, you don't have a right not to be offended.

That is clear.

However, my view also is that there are some forms of speech

that European history, we'll see where it goes with American history, suggests are profoundly dangerous.

And the one I used in my example of this is that if you're lecturing Germans on the import, which is started in the most notorious start of this was Vance's speech in Munich,