Mary Childs

So everyone can see the end.

It's just the sooner, like if we can have some sort of help, it's going to happen sooner.

There's going to be less lives lost.

But there is no way that things can go back to normal.

That's New Yorker reporter David Kirkpatrick.

That's Donald Trump Jr.

talking.

Okay, before Trump's first term, David says Trump was in a tight spot financially.

He was losing income from licensing and endorsements.

And at the beginning of his second term, he was in an even tighter spot, David says.

At the time, he owed hundreds of millions in fraud and defamation lawsuits.

Almost $4 billion.

That is the number, according to David.

That is how much Trump and his family have made by this point in his second term.

Almost $4 billion.

Now, David says...

He went out of his way to not include money that the family would have made if Trump were not president.

So he didn't count many deals, some big ones, that he says would likely have happened anyway.

And he didn't count profit made from like regular pre-existing businesses.

But, I mean, a lot of presidents, Republican and Democrat, have made money after their president, once they leave office.