Mary Heim

Another winner in this category, I think, is TJ Klune.

I just think he does it really well when it comes to meaningful and heart-centered that doesn't challenge anything.

or doesn't shy away, rather, from challenging stories, but does it in a way that you can really find some meaning by the end of it.

And then I am just going to throw this one here, and this might be for either one of our writers in today, that if you are deciding, hey, I really need to let myself have the grief, and I don't know how to do that, or I don't want it wrapped up in a bow, but I want to be able to kind of see...

like have someone hold my hand through the challenging thing that I am going into.

I'm going to diverge a little bit with this last recommendation for the book, It's Okay That You're Not Okay by Megan Devine.

I have a bit of a first aid kit of book recommendations that I like to share whenever someone in my life is experiencing grief of any kind.

And this is one that I think really is easily recommendable to anyone experiencing grief in the

any way shape or form and so that's the one that I'm going to end with here not that I think this reader must or any reader must lean into something really kind of deep non-fiction griefy when they're in a time like this but I'm just going to gently float this one out there for if you are to the point where you're like all right I've read enough fiction I want something that like sees me where I'm at this I think is a good one to just kind of keep in the back of your mind keep on your periphery for if and when it feels like time for a book like that

It's always such a joy.

I'm so glad we could do this today, Meredith.

Meredith Agatha Krusty could not be.

I hope that our YouTube listener viewers could see the look on my face when you said that name.

Absolute perfection.

I love getting to witness you going along this journey.

I cannot wait to hear about Agatha's spoils.

I love that.

And have you read Sourdough by Robin Sloan?

I would be so curious to see where it hits now that you like have amassed this information that you are in it for yourself.

I love that so much.