Mary Manning

I think it was about 33 million black people living in South Africa and about 2 million white people.

And he said, it's like a pint of Guinness, but the black is on the bottom and the white's sitting on top.

I know, I know.

It's breathtaking.

It made you feel like this is so wrong.

It's so wrong that people who are just because of the colour of their skin are being separated and being treated so badly.

And literally that was what it was.

If you weren't the right colour, sorry, you had no rights.

So it just made you feel really angry about what was going on as well and wanting to try and help out and wanting to try and do something.

Like, we were like, what do you say to a bishop?

You know, like, how do you kind of address them?

And Karen, I remember Karen and myself kind of, what do you say?

Like, what do you call them?

This footage of it, and you can see how awkward Karen and myself are.

And it was just like, we literally didn't like, what do you do?

Like, do you, you know, do you have to shake his hand or what do you do?

Like, we literally didn't know what to do.

So, but he was the most, the warmest man.

He really was a lovely, lovely man.

And so he made it very easy for us in the end.