Mary Margaret Olihan

In terms of detransitioning, that is something that's very hard for the detransitioner to tell their parents because in Luca's case, her parents hadn't wanted her to transition. They were nervous, they were scared, but they thought that it was the best thing to do. They were told by doctors that it was the best thing for their daughter and she herself had to convince them to go through with it.

So she said that when she called her mother to tell her this was all a mistake, it was one of the hardest conversations she had ever had. Because in effect, she was saying, you were right. And my life has been fundamentally changed by all of this. And you knew what you were talking about, but you trusted the doctors instead of yourself.

So she said that when she called her mother to tell her this was all a mistake, it was one of the hardest conversations she had ever had. Because in effect, she was saying, you were right. And my life has been fundamentally changed by all of this. And you knew what you were talking about, but you trusted the doctors instead of yourself.

And I think that's a really tragic conversation to have to have with your parent.

And I think that's a really tragic conversation to have to have with your parent.

That I am interested in knowing myself, John, because some of these detransitioners are very respectful of their families and they don't want to necessarily throw them under the bus on this. So I don't hear a ton about resentment when it comes to the detransitioners' relationships with their families. I think that they're aware that

That I am interested in knowing myself, John, because some of these detransitioners are very respectful of their families and they don't want to necessarily throw them under the bus on this. So I don't hear a ton about resentment when it comes to the detransitioners' relationships with their families. I think that they're aware that

This is a topic that they have to be careful about, you know, because I think many are quick to call out parents for allowing their children to go down this path and rightfully so. But at the same time, the detransitioners want there to be empathy for their parents and what they went through.

This is a topic that they have to be careful about, you know, because I think many are quick to call out parents for allowing their children to go down this path and rightfully so. But at the same time, the detransitioners want there to be empathy for their parents and what they went through.

Although I should add, there absolutely are parents who are pushing their children down this path for selfish and narcissistic reasons. And those parents really should be held accountable for their actions.

Although I should add, there absolutely are parents who are pushing their children down this path for selfish and narcissistic reasons. And those parents really should be held accountable for their actions.

Yeah, this is probably the most emotional chapter in the book to me. I spoke with Abby Martinez, the mother of Yalie Martinez, a young girl who grew up in California. And Yalie stumbled into some bad friendships in high school. The school began socially transitioning her. So speaking to her as though she were a boy, having her meet with a therapist who was similarly treating her.

Yeah, this is probably the most emotional chapter in the book to me. I spoke with Abby Martinez, the mother of Yalie Martinez, a young girl who grew up in California. And Yalie stumbled into some bad friendships in high school. The school began socially transitioning her. So speaking to her as though she were a boy, having her meet with a therapist who was similarly treating her.

And Yalie slowly but surely began to distance from her mother, from her family. And ultimately the California Department of Child and Family Services took Yalie away from her family and started her on testosterone.

And Yalie slowly but surely began to distance from her mother, from her family. And ultimately the California Department of Child and Family Services took Yalie away from her family and started her on testosterone.

And Abby, her mother, was understandably distraught, was trying to see her daughter and was struggling with making contact with her daughter in a positive way because the girl was just very upset and confused. And ultimately, Yaeli threw herself in front of a train and ended her own life and died. I included this story in the book. It's very sad and it's emotional.

And Abby, her mother, was understandably distraught, was trying to see her daughter and was struggling with making contact with her daughter in a positive way because the girl was just very upset and confused. And ultimately, Yaeli threw herself in front of a train and ended her own life and died. I included this story in the book. It's very sad and it's emotional.

And Abby herself sobbed on the phone to me as she shared it with me. But I included it because all the detransitioners in my book, those are people who've been through very hard and traumatic things, but they are okay. They're on the other side of it. And thankfully, they're living fruitful lives and they're doing well. But in this case, Yeli did not make it. Mm-hmm.

And Abby herself sobbed on the phone to me as she shared it with me. But I included it because all the detransitioners in my book, those are people who've been through very hard and traumatic things, but they are okay. They're on the other side of it. And thankfully, they're living fruitful lives and they're doing well. But in this case, Yeli did not make it. Mm-hmm.

Yili is no longer with us and her mother is still suffering intensely from what her daughter was put through. And Abby told me that she wants people to know what she's been through so that they can avoid having this happen to their own children. She said this pain never ends. And I think it'll be a deeply impactful story for people to read. It was very impactful for me to write.