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is stop the choking off of the Strait of Hormuz and 20% of the world's oil supply.

On top of the destruction of the Iranian military, the obliteration, at least for now, of Iran's nuclear program, and inspections and all the rest.

Now, with that said, Ben, you said that the chief point of this war was to end Iran's nuclear ambitions permanently.

And I think that'd be great.

I'd love to do it.

But I don't think there's any world this side of heaven in which you end Iran's weapons.

Do you think we can permanently end Iran's nuclear program?

So at that point, let's say that you bomb Karg Island, you completely, I mean, what we're talking about there truly is regime change.

Trump himself is saying, we kind of got regime change, but what you're talking about is truly you obliterate the Iranian regime.

And then what happens?

What happens if the country descends into civil war?

What happens if you-

Well, you just said the alternative is civil war, but that's endless war.

Hold on, Ben.

In a way, Hezbollah is not written out in the MOU, in the 14-point document.

But what the administration is at least saying about the MOU is that because we are not giving Iran any money, we're not unfreezing any assets, we're not lifting all these sanctions immediately.

Didn't Iran, I guess, but isn't the point, and we'll get to the proxies in a second, but isn't the point Iran obviously had this capacity.

One thing we learned in this war is that Iran's ability to close the strait is frankly a more powerful weapon than the potential nuclear weapon that they were seeking.

And so they obviously had that power.

It's true.