Mat Sundin

Right, right.

And it's like, well, yeah, if you talk to his friends, you're going to get the answer you're looking for.

But the point of talking to many people is getting the answer you're not looking for and some of the answers you're looking for and then weighing them against each other to make it make sure it's the right decision.

That'd be a great thing for a resume.

Hey, can you put the number of your worst enemy?

Well, you know, and especially for a job this important.

Jesse, Steve.

We talked to people inside the game.

Has a single one said to you anything different?

Maybe not in those terms, but is a single one said to you anything different than what Steve Simmons?

There's one guy.

Steve talked to one person because he told Steve me.

Yeah, you not Steve Simmons.

So that's that's the only one.

Everyone else says kind of what Steve Simmons said there.

Trust me when I tell you it's nearly everybody.

And that's the part I'm like, well, then who did you speak to?

Now, you could make the argument, and I think it's a fair one to make, Jesse.

I know who he spoke to.

He spoke to Neil Glassberg, who was there.