Matt Baker

The $20 million house payment that schools are making in Brebshire, that just has forced a lot of really hard conversations that have happened and are going to need to continue to happen over the next couple of years as we get to wherever it is we're getting.

I think just the one.

It's really, really hard.

I think 2028.

I think it's coming.

I think most important people want it to happen, but it'll take a little time.

So I'll go 20.

I don't think so, but I do think conferences will look very, very different.

I will say this.

One of the power conferences by then will not be what we consider a power conference.

Sure.