Matt Bevan

This episode of If You're Listening was written by me, Matt Bevan, and Cara Jensen-McKinnon.

Cara is also our supervising producer.

It's produced by Adair Shepard and Pat Sunderland.

We'll have our second episode on Palantir next Thursday, but on Tuesday, Cara's got a story to tell me about why the FBI and CIA weren't talking to each other in the late 90s.

I don't know anything more than that, but she says this story's going to make my head explode.

I'll see you next week.

If I had to pick one word to describe America's history in the Middle East, I'd probably go with mistake.

The backpackers crossed the poorly marked border by mistake.

The war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake.

So why is it happening again?

I'm Matt Bevan, and on my show, if you're listening, we actually try to learn from the world's mistakes.

Find us on ABC Listen or wherever you get your podcasts.

If I had to pick one word to describe America's history in the Middle East, I'd probably go with mistake.

But it was the Americans believe all a dreadful mistake.

The backpackers crossed the poorly marked border by mistake.

The war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake.

So why is it happening again?

I'm Matt Bevan, and on my show, if you're listening, we actually try to learn from the world's mistakes.

Find us on ABC Listen or wherever you get your podcasts.

G'day, Matt Bevan here, this is If You're Listening.