Matt Fradd

That's not a, I know that sounds self-deprecating and it's not meant to be.

I don't think I'm stupid.

I just, I'm not good at thinking on my feet and I'm not good in high pressure, high intent situations, you know?

So I'm happy to have like a publicized debate with like Bertuzzi back when he was Protestant, right?

Because like I trust him and we're actually trying, but I'm not good at that.

So anyway, maybe that's why I've never stormed off because I've never been in a situation where I needed it.

Yeah, well, maybe we could pay him.

Or maybe you'll get an offer from a Muslim about how to, if you rage quit.

Oh.

I mean, what's your opinion of the state of modern debates?

Because it's almost like

I don't know, I feel like a lot of debates that take place, I'm not saying there's no value to the whatever podcast debates, but a lot of those things just feel like train wrecks on purpose.

They are to me, yeah.

Right, they're on purpose.

Like, let's make this the most disgusting, down in the dirt, down in the mud debate we can, because that's what people want.

Like, they don't want the old William and Craig debates where everyone had a lot of time and could have the time to lay out their position, you know?

You have this stoic demeanor where like that fellow you debated who sounded like a prosperity preacher who was Muslim.

Hassan Shibley.

Who I honestly think advice to him, if he's willing to take it, you seem like a nice person, but the way you speak, it's like, it's too performative.

He would just speak normally.