Matt Fradd

I was in the Middle East giving some talks a while back and I met a group of Christians from Saudi Arabia.

It was amazing to hear their story.

Have I told you this?

The problem with having a podcast is you forget how much you've said to people and we've, you've been on the show before, but yeah, I said, there's this guy who's a driver and he drives around and picks up the Christians in secret and brings them to this house.

And it's the priest's house.

And they have a couple of people around the perimeter with cell phones to call if the police are coming.

They always have a birthday cake in the fridge so they can quickly turn the holy mass celebration into someone's birthday if they have to.

And this, I'm sitting across from them and I just feel so ashamed at how cowardly I sometimes am about my faith.

And I look at these people and I'm,

I'm really proud of them.

They're like, would you like to come and talk?

And I'm like, I don't, I mean, yes, but also no.

They talked about this conference they tried to have and it was in a barn.

In Saudi Arabia?

Yeah.

Okay, conference might be too strong a word, but it was some gathering at a barn.

And the police pulled over because there was a bunch of shoes outside of the barn.

And they said to me, you wouldn't be executed.

They just, that's great.

Yeah, I'll tell my wife, you'll just be deported.