Matt Gaetz

There's a lot of angst over like, well, you know, has Donald Trump done every single thing I ever wanted him to do in this first year in office?

Like if you would have told me back when we were staring at polls showing us that Kamala Harris was going to be the next president of the United States, that here we would be at the conclusion of 2025 with negative net migration in this country.

And some of that indeed is the great work of DHS.

But a lot of it is the self-deportation where Trump has set the ethic in this country where if you are not here legally, you are not welcome.

And a bunch of those people are going home.

And I think that is a great credit to the work they've done.

Wait a second, you thought the U.S.

State Department was against censorship?

That's not true.

Yeah, I think he was pointing globally, and the U.S.

State Department has a long history of trying to control what people see and hear and how they react to that.

No, I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that we should not be funding the textbooks that advance martyrdom.

How can a U.S.

official say that?

I think we have crossed that Rubicon long ago.

When you had people in the Biden administration censoring true information about vaccine side effects and no accountability for that, no action against those officials, it has blown the door open to use powers in government to try to advance the viewpoints that you find comforting and to silence the ideas that you find uncomfortable.

Do you think censorship digitally is ultimately sustainable with the fragmented digital environment we live in?

So that's the point.

I'm not as worked up over it as you are.

Because I think that you've got... We have so many different opportunities to communicate now, more so than in the 2010s.