Matt Haig

They're not necessarily believing in unicorns, but they'll go with the daydream.

Whereas if you're writing sort of fantasy for adults, you have to hold their hands so much to make the fantasy believable.

You can't just rush into it.

Still not as hard as Wind in the Willows.

I just tried to do that recently.

You might as well be reading Ulysses.

Oh, wow.

Are you properly in it past page 30?

You're in real trouble.

I love Ulysses, but I must admit, I've never chronologically read it.

I've just sort of like gone into it.

Yes.

I think, like, James Joyce, like, you know, even though he's seen as, like, writing massive stuff, he's also, like, sentences are amazing as well.

Right.

That's true.

And I think that's a big myth and cliche about readers and writers is that we're this introverted, antisocial kind of unhappy people.

And we can be.

But I think reading is like a deep socialising.

It's like you're socialising at such a different level.

It's not socialising with a glass of warm white wine at a