Matt Kaplan

That's normal.

That's how it's supposed to work.

Absolutely.

But most people don't understand that.

So I don't think the glass ceiling...

is so much an issue about female making their way in science versus male, although there's certainly elements of that.

And I don't think it's a matter of Hungarian versus American.

I think the glass ceiling that really needs to be addressed here is the, it's an out there idea and look, she was right.

And I think we are starting to see reform.

And I'm really excited about it because a number of organizations, several governments, including the Austrian government, which I think is hysterical, the Willem Foundation, Volkswagen, are supporting programs that democratize funding.

Let me expand on that for a moment.

So right now, you write your grant application, and it's considered by a grant committee.

And the grant committee can probably award 30 labs funding, and they get thousands of applications.

So the competition is fierce.

And there's no doubt that when you get 1,000 applications, it's really easy for the grant awarding body to say, okay, these 650, they're not close.

Remove.

Let's just get those out of the pool.

You're left now with 350 grant applications, but let's say you can only give 50 of them funding.

Rather than try to discern the difference between good, great, and excellent, which is really hard to do, and all of our studies show that when you're trying as a grant body to differentiate between good, great, and excellent, you often are subtly affected by O.

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