Matt Kielty

It's just that we, like... Like, it's beyond us to see why things are happening or what's going to happen, which...

To Reinhart, you know, suggested, there's no line.

There's no circle.

Like, harmonious natural balance, that's all BS.

Like, at any moment, the natural equivalent of the Berlin Wall could fall and just upend the whole system.

He told me, I never have seen a stable state.

So when Hendrik, the student turned department chair, ran into Reinhardt and his barrel, Reinhardt told him about all of this data he collected.

Sometimes I had a stable state for some weeks or even months, but then suddenly the system shifted again and I decided to follow up.

And then with, you know, the help of Elisa and others, Reinhardt gets his work published in Nature.

And according to Hendrik,

there was this immediate blowback from some other ecologists.

Yes.

Because it sort of thumbed its nose at this whole field of study.

If this is true, why should we do any research anymore?

If we're trying to bring a system back to order and you're saying there's no such order to begin with,

What the hell are we even doing?

Well, if there is chaos in nature, why do we do restoration or whatever?

But, you know, Hendrik, he was also skeptical of the result for, you know, scientific reason.

Because, you know, even if Reinhardt found chaos inside this one barrel... It doesn't mean that chaos is something mandatory.

He showed that there might be chaos.