Matt Kielty

Yeah.

For me, reading about this study, I found it personally, I found it quite jarring.

I think I really wanted there to be like a hidden order to everything that is not about us, that has nothing to do with us, where things make sense.

And for that not to be there, I think is very unsettling.

Like when we do conservation or restoration or whatever, it just feels like you'd be throwing your hands up.

My thought was like, if the order is gone, if there is no guaranteed harmony, that actually makes conservation work even more important.

It's like if we don't intervene and protect the order, it's not guaranteed.

Who cares about your choices if it's chaos anyway?

If there are things that are beyond your control that are going to screw it all anyway.

It's like the idea of the moral arc of the universe bends towards justice.

I don't think it does, which is terrifying.

So what you do, you have to fabricate a form of justice.

And yeah, there's a pandemic.

Wait, can I interrupt you?

Yeah.

Okay, write that version of The Lion King.

See how many kids go to see that.

Yeah, do it.

Go, make the song.

Elton John, go for it.