Yes, yes, yes.
And Heather actually first heard this story from this guy, Chris Hoff.
Thank you, Heather.
Who's a philosopher of science.
A lot of times.
At Case Western Reserve University.
Yeah.
Chris, how did we come to the story?
You kind of, you wrote me an email and said.
I have a great story for you.
You're like, I got a hell of a tale.
Exactly.
Hop in your seatbelt.
Okay, so we're going back in time to some big callers.
Cool music.
Back to...
Late 60s, early 70s.
And to this guy.
Professor Gould, the floor is yours.
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