Matt Kielty

Way beneath the surface of the water, far from any sunlight, where the heat from inside the earth is churning up and creating these craggy rock structures.

And according to Nick, they've got the goods.

They've got the materials, the right chemicals, methane and carbon and hydrogen are swirling around in the water.

They've got the energy source, not lightning, but this constant churn of the Earth's heat.

But finally, what he thinks make them really special is their structure.

And because you've got the materials, the constant churning energy, and these rock walls that kind of force everything together...

It's like the matter and magic you need to make life is lush there.

It's like you got it all.

Wow, that is very cool.

But Lulu, like you've been...

You've been championing chaos this whole time, and now you're serving up a story that's like, this, to me, this is like, this is order.

Like, you're putting order right back at the beginning of it all.

Well, that's interesting.

I mean, what I... Like, the soup or the panspermia are both, like, very chaotic.

Like, some random thing just fell to earth, or a random lightning bolt hit a random, you know, piece of gas at the right time.

Like, those are pretty chaotic.

But if it's like...

oh, look, there's this chimney that was being built, and there were a whole bunch of them, and they have the exactly right gradient and the right this and the right that.

Like, then it's a very orderly thing.

And, like, the cell is a tiny planet.