Matt Mahan

The rule of thumb there is on your third public drug offense, you can be given a choice between treatment and incarceration.

And that's bringing a consequence to a decision that doesn't just affect you.

We can talk about civil liberties, but when you are

actively choosing not to engage in treatment, you are more often than not creating, imposing real costs, real harm on the broader community.

We've seen businesses shutter in our downtowns, parks where families can't play.

So we- It's direct and indirect.

That's right.

Yeah, I do think we've gotten our regulatory solution here approach wrong.

I would reject the notion that it's either or.

I don't think it has to be.

I think innovation is the middle path, the way to do both.

Look, Texas is providing dramatically cheaper power that is cleaner than California.

You see places like China leaning heavily into solar, wind, storage, EVs.

The path is investment in innovation and infrastructure, a smarter grid.

What we've done in California is another classic case of well-intended regulations leading to massive unintended consequences.

Let's just take the example of our refineries.

The state has lost most of its refineries over the last decade because we have intentionally regulated them out of existence.

And so what's actually happened is we still import oil and gas.

We've just pushed refineries.

We have the cleanest, best regulated refineries with some of the highest paying jobs in the sector.