Matt Murphy

Although a lot of Lacey's friends, then once Amber came forward, and I know you want to cover that, but once she came forward, then people, when they went away from talking to him as much as they were earlier, they started bringing up facts that were a little bit inconsistent with the all-American boy, but nothing really alarming.

It's nothing that you would think of

on an individual basis.

They're all anecdotal.

But when you tallied them up, then they showed a little bit different side to him, a side of a guy who really didn't want to be a dad.

Well, I did it for 17 years.

I was probably 12th year at that time, probably my 12th year.

Yeah, when I left, I'd been involved in about 140 of them, 26 of which were mine.

So, you know, you have those, you have missing people, you have suicides, you know, you deal with family members that are under stress, that are dealing with the death or the loss of a loved one.

And so you kind of get used to what to expect from people within a certain range of emotion and reactions.

Yeah, I can remember a couple of them.

One in particular, he did.

Actually, the worst crime scene I ever went into was done with a knife and a claw hammer.

No guns involved or anything like that.

And the guy who did that murder, he truly was TV quality evil.

He was the guy that, you know, a script writer would detail out.

Even when you looked in his eyes, they were cold.

Like it was like there was nothing behind them.

And, you know, Scott doesn't have that look.

But obviously with this situation, our belief is and the jury's belief was that he had that capability.