Matt Murphy

But if you don't know them.

Yeah, I know about what you said right there, because it apparently wasn't a big enough deal on our radar to have him called as a witness.

And again, you know, when you look at Garagos, I mean, not only is he a skilled attorney, his staff, I mean, I don't know if you ever talked to any attorneys on his staff, but he had a bunch of great attorneys that were digging up every single thing they could.

I don't think they missed anything.

And if Aponte would have been something of value, I highly doubt that

Mark would not have called him to the stand.

Now, there might have been some tactical legal reasons for that.

I don't know.

Or maybe some information came up later.

And if that's an appeal issue, put him on the stand.

Let's hear what he's got to say.

You know, I mean, if Scott didn't do this, I don't want him in jail.

But I have no doubts that he did it.

Yeah, I look at that from a different aspect.

There was...

Scott and Lacey had gone down to Disneyland in November, and for part of the days that they were down there, she had to be in a wheelchair because she was having so much difficulty walking.

Not only her yoga instructor, but of course also her doctor had told her at the tail end of this pregnancy, you just don't need to be out doing any walking.

The day before, the housekeeper had mentioned that she was exhausted.

Sharon had told us that she was exhausted.

Sharon did not believe that Lacey had gone walking.