Matt Skoglund

Right.

Yeah.

No, I I'm endlessly fascinated by that stuff.

Like your buddy, Dan Flores been on here, has his own mediator podcast.

Like his book, wild new world was like, I just blew my mind.

Like just over and over.

And it's interesting.

I was just reading, uh,

I'm a little late to the game, but I'm finally reading braiding sweet grass, amazing book.

And she just, the chapter I just finished, because the other thing with what you're talking about was, it was like, where did they go?

And it was like, how do we get them back?

Like, what do we do?

And I was just reading that, um, some tribes in the Pacific Northwest had the same thing around salmon where they would light, uh, light, light the grass on fire on a cliff and

along the ocean, basically sending a signal out to the salmon time to come back, which I thought was super cool.

Okay.

Where did, where did they go?

How do we get them back?

And yeah.

And like the creation stories, I just find all that stuff like, so cool.

interesting, fascinating.