Matt Skoglund

And then for us, it becomes extremely stressful.

The big thing for me, it's not like losing a bowl or like the economic consequence of that.

It's that we have great relationships with our neighbors and we take that very seriously and we've earned their trust.

And so if bulls start leaving and walking all over the neighbors, rightfully, so it'd be like, what's going on, Matt?

Like, have you lost control of your animals?

And so, um, and so while I was kind of struggling with this a year ago, I'm always reading, listening to podcasts, trying to stay on top of the best available science around modern day ranching.

And I listened to a podcast with one, uh, Ted Turner's ranch managers, and he was saying the way on a couple of Turner's ranches.

They've moved away from breeding bulls.

And the theory is that with breeding bulls, it's unnatural because it's humans selecting the animal for what humans like.

And so bison, they're sexually mature too.

So they got rid of all their breeding bulls and they let all the two-year-olds in there and just let nature work it out.

And the theory is the biggest, strongest animal

Highest sex drive bulls are the ones that are going to breed and that's who you want to breed.

So when we had, so when our last breeding bull.

So, because, so before, I guess, I guess, so the, the.

Exactly.

The other system, you'd have like a six-year-old bull and an eight-year-old bull.

I see.

Which are literally more than twice the size of that two-year-old.

Exactly.