Matt Spiegel

But, yeah, this gives you an opportunity to find a developmental center if that's what you want to do.

Let me say one more name, and that's Pat Coogan, Marist High School graduate, Pat Coogan, who went to Notre Dame recently.

and then transferred to Indiana in the portal and helped lead them to a national title, a big part of what Kurt Cignetti did at Indiana with Fernando Mendoza.

But I don't know if Pat is big or is mobile enough to do what he would need to do in the Ben Johnson scheme.

That's certainly a question, but the thing about Pat Coogan is he has really good position flexibility.

He could play guard as well.

which will make his stock somewhere in that four, around four to five range, I would think.

And of course there's the sentimental favorite of this show and others, Joshua Cruz.

Yeah.

Have you broken down Josh Cruz's tape?

I know you're going to be shocked about this, but he can move.

Like I sent you guys some of the, some of those, those cutups of him reaching three techniques and, and, and sealing them off.

So another athletic center.

Is he, is he smaller?

Like Olin was.

There were some doubts about Olin, but he showed that he was strong enough, but was a great mover.

And he could move, and he really took to the position, and learning about the position, which Joshua has his whole life.

He had the C on his chest at Illinois for a reason.

That's fascinating, man.

It's crazy.