Matt Taibbi

Right, yeah, exactly, yeah. Walter Pincus, right?

Right, yeah, exactly, yeah. Walter Pincus, right?

Isaacson, sorry.

Isaacson, sorry.

Isaacson, sorry.

Can you cut that? Sorry.

Can you cut that? Sorry.

Can you cut that? Sorry.

Yeah, no, it is weird. The Aspen Institute, I mean, they played a very strange role in the whole censorship story, but yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, no, it is weird. The Aspen Institute, I mean, they played a very strange role in the whole censorship story, but yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, no, it is weird. The Aspen Institute, I mean, they played a very strange role in the whole censorship story, but yeah. Yeah.

They're going to struggle, I think, to get audience back. You already see that the strategy of some of them is to try to pander to the audiences that they betrayed previously. funny episode over last weekend where NBC and Saturday Night Live, you know, they finally did a joke picking on Rachel Maddow.

They're going to struggle, I think, to get audience back. You already see that the strategy of some of them is to try to pander to the audiences that they betrayed previously. funny episode over last weekend where NBC and Saturday Night Live, you know, they finally did a joke picking on Rachel Maddow.

They're going to struggle, I think, to get audience back. You already see that the strategy of some of them is to try to pander to the audiences that they betrayed previously. funny episode over last weekend where NBC and Saturday Night Live, you know, they finally did a joke picking on Rachel Maddow.

It wasn't particularly funny, but it was a signal that, OK, we're going to suck up to this group now. Right. As opposed to the other one, which is so loathsome. Right. And that was Rachel Maddow was not the core.

It wasn't particularly funny, but it was a signal that, OK, we're going to suck up to this group now. Right. As opposed to the other one, which is so loathsome. Right. And that was Rachel Maddow was not the core.

It wasn't particularly funny, but it was a signal that, OK, we're going to suck up to this group now. Right. As opposed to the other one, which is so loathsome. Right. And that was Rachel Maddow was not the core.

Of course. And my only point is that... just by changing the direction of their BS, they're not going to win back audience, right? And this is something that I've noticed since I've been in the business. People in media continually underestimate audiences. They think that they're much stupider than they really are.

Of course. And my only point is that... just by changing the direction of their BS, they're not going to win back audience, right? And this is something that I've noticed since I've been in the business. People in media continually underestimate audiences. They think that they're much stupider than they really are.

Of course. And my only point is that... just by changing the direction of their BS, they're not going to win back audience, right? And this is something that I've noticed since I've been in the business. People in media continually underestimate audiences. They think that they're much stupider than they really are.