Matt Taibbi

You know, had the media been so completely paper-trained by that moment that they... I guess so, right? But...

You know, had the media been so completely paper-trained by that moment that they... I guess so, right? But...

You know, had the media been so completely paper-trained by that moment that they... I guess so, right? But...

I never understood that. You know, like what you're going to agree with a. a bunch of people on everything that they do and you're going to support that it's one thing for politicians to act that way but i cannot understand it an immediate person you think that's a defining fact of like our life is this commitment to party

I never understood that. You know, like what you're going to agree with a. a bunch of people on everything that they do and you're going to support that it's one thing for politicians to act that way but i cannot understand it an immediate person you think that's a defining fact of like our life is this commitment to party

I never understood that. You know, like what you're going to agree with a. a bunch of people on everything that they do and you're going to support that it's one thing for politicians to act that way but i cannot understand it an immediate person you think that's a defining fact of like our life is this commitment to party

Well, right now we have the situation where the only versions of things that you get are essentially party explanations. And that's why it's so interesting that there's this sort of intermediate podcast space where people are exploring things from all different directions. And that's where all the people are going. I don't think it's a coincidence. Can that last? I think it can.

Well, right now we have the situation where the only versions of things that you get are essentially party explanations. And that's why it's so interesting that there's this sort of intermediate podcast space where people are exploring things from all different directions. And that's where all the people are going. I don't think it's a coincidence. Can that last? I think it can.

Well, right now we have the situation where the only versions of things that you get are essentially party explanations. And that's why it's so interesting that there's this sort of intermediate podcast space where people are exploring things from all different directions. And that's where all the people are going. I don't think it's a coincidence. Can that last? I think it can.

I think what's going to happen is you're going to have... New institutions that are built up around that, that are just going to find new ways to... And you can't have, as long as that lasts, you can't have authoritarian rule. Right. Oh, yeah. And that was proven. I mean, look, the handful of... podcasts that a lot of people chuckled about had a huge impact in the last election.

I think what's going to happen is you're going to have... New institutions that are built up around that, that are just going to find new ways to... And you can't have, as long as that lasts, you can't have authoritarian rule. Right. Oh, yeah. And that was proven. I mean, look, the handful of... podcasts that a lot of people chuckled about had a huge impact in the last election.

I think what's going to happen is you're going to have... New institutions that are built up around that, that are just going to find new ways to... And you can't have, as long as that lasts, you can't have authoritarian rule. Right. Oh, yeah. And that was proven. I mean, look, the handful of... podcasts that a lot of people chuckled about had a huge impact in the last election.

And you know what? Shame on those media people who laugh at those podcasts because among other things, they had lower numbers than a lot of those podcasts, like significantly lower. Most of them, yeah. Right? And, you know, they're snobs about it. They say, oh, well, that's, you know, we have a better quality of audience. No, you just are not convincing.

And you know what? Shame on those media people who laugh at those podcasts because among other things, they had lower numbers than a lot of those podcasts, like significantly lower. Most of them, yeah. Right? And, you know, they're snobs about it. They say, oh, well, that's, you know, we have a better quality of audience. No, you just are not convincing.

And you know what? Shame on those media people who laugh at those podcasts because among other things, they had lower numbers than a lot of those podcasts, like significantly lower. Most of them, yeah. Right? And, you know, they're snobs about it. They say, oh, well, that's, you know, we have a better quality of audience. No, you just are not convincing.

Right. Yeah. And they're more willing and partly because they watch shows like Joe Rogan, which ask them to entertain multiple points of view on things. Right. That's kind of the whole idea. You'll see somebody. There are lots of people who go on the Rogan show that I disagree with. Me too. But I hear it. you know? Um, and that's the whole point, right?

Right. Yeah. And they're more willing and partly because they watch shows like Joe Rogan, which ask them to entertain multiple points of view on things. Right. That's kind of the whole idea. You'll see somebody. There are lots of people who go on the Rogan show that I disagree with. Me too. But I hear it. you know? Um, and that's the whole point, right?

Right. Yeah. And they're more willing and partly because they watch shows like Joe Rogan, which ask them to entertain multiple points of view on things. Right. That's kind of the whole idea. You'll see somebody. There are lots of people who go on the Rogan show that I disagree with. Me too. But I hear it. you know? Um, and that's the whole point, right?

Is you get to hear different points of view and that's been excluded from this other form of media, this kind of bifurcated red, blue landscape, um, which doesn't work anymore and is in collapse. But, um, And I just think that this period now, it's going to be great for launching this new media that's necessary because they're going to have all this material to work with.

Is you get to hear different points of view and that's been excluded from this other form of media, this kind of bifurcated red, blue landscape, um, which doesn't work anymore and is in collapse. But, um, And I just think that this period now, it's going to be great for launching this new media that's necessary because they're going to have all this material to work with.