Matt Williams

But I would say Bordeaux are more used to that heat than Leinster.

But I think it will affect that.

But I'll come back to how you started that, Matt.

Liam and I both worked with Leo for a number of years.

This is not a guy that comes out and says things

emotionally he planned that statement and he planned it to send a message and he's got his team in a mental state to go down to Bilbao they are underdogs people don't like them they don't respect them and they've got something to prove that is a very very different mindset to the way Leinster have gone into the four finals they've lost I don't know this for a fact but there's a few of us talking that just think Leo set that up and then what did he get he got a reaction from the press

And then what you get the players say, yeah, look, people, you know, we know people hate us, which I don't think is true.

But that doesn't matter.

It's the mindset that he's got inside that team.

All the things that Liam just said, plus the fact you get there and you say, this is our game plan.

We are going to take them on.

This is a battle.

And Matt, I've got to say it.

I'm sorry to bring this up.

Sunderland leads 19.

I know we were not allowed to laugh about this in the past, but the finals are one off.

What you've done before doesn't count.

Mike Ruddock, the old Leinster coach, great friend of Lerm and I, would say, it's a final, it's a 1-0.

That's all you've got to do.

And when it comes to a final, your mindset is one of the most important.