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Matt Wolf

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509 total appearances

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Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

precipitously you're able to scale more with less over time and this is a pretty significant factor and so you know this new model that came out that has everybody talking again about ai or the export controls working what does this mean for nvidia what does it mean for facebook you know it's important to note that yes it was developed more cheaply but it doesn't score as well as the leading models

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

And it's sort of falling on this expected cost curve of sort of cost reductions that we would expect to see really across all technology. So, you know, I think everybody can just maybe take a deep breath and realize that it's not necessarily the competitor that that is being touted as it's falling on the cost reduction curve.

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

And it's sort of falling on this expected cost curve of sort of cost reductions that we would expect to see really across all technology. So, you know, I think everybody can just maybe take a deep breath and realize that it's not necessarily the competitor that that is being touted as it's falling on the cost reduction curve.

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

Now, what does this mean from a more, you know, I'm not going to talk about export controls, any of that, but from a business perspective, what I think, though, is really interesting is this cost curve, right? Because we've been, and the reason it's not being talked about now is, you know, these GPT, these large language models have been around only for a couple years, really, in the public's eye.

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

Now, what does this mean from a more, you know, I'm not going to talk about export controls, any of that, but from a business perspective, what I think, though, is really interesting is this cost curve, right? Because we've been, and the reason it's not being talked about now is, you know, these GPT, these large language models have been around only for a couple years, really, in the public's eye.

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

we don't have experience with the cost curve. We're used to the biggest, most expensive, highest performing model. And what the sort of realities of the economics of developing new AI models and the fact that over time you can more cheaply scale a new model that doesn't surpass the current benchmark, but can perform pretty well, what that means is we'll begin to see more purpose-built AI models.

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

we don't have experience with the cost curve. We're used to the biggest, most expensive, highest performing model. And what the sort of realities of the economics of developing new AI models and the fact that over time you can more cheaply scale a new model that doesn't surpass the current benchmark, but can perform pretty well, what that means is we'll begin to see more purpose-built AI models.

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

As the costs come down, certainly it doesn't mean that Microsoft or other companies are silly for spending tens of billions of dollars, right? As the costs come down, they'll just spend more resources to do things even faster. That's what the leading companies in this sort of AI race will do. But for everybody else, it means that We expect to see more purpose-built models.

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

As the costs come down, certainly it doesn't mean that Microsoft or other companies are silly for spending tens of billions of dollars, right? As the costs come down, they'll just spend more resources to do things even faster. That's what the leading companies in this sort of AI race will do. But for everybody else, it means that We expect to see more purpose-built models.

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

So instead of an AI, large language model, generative AI model that kind of is pretty good at doing a lot of things, we might begin to see, we expect to begin to see more models that are really good at doing a specific thing. you know, so maybe a specific or a set of specific tasks or functions for a healthcare provider or for a energy utility, right?

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

So instead of an AI, large language model, generative AI model that kind of is pretty good at doing a lot of things, we might begin to see, we expect to begin to see more models that are really good at doing a specific thing. you know, so maybe a specific or a set of specific tasks or functions for a healthcare provider or for a energy utility, right?

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

And so we'll begin to see more purpose-built models because as the cost of scaling models comes down, the economics of creating purpose-built models that, you know, can't help you code or help you you know, write a cover letter for a resume, but can help you optimize cooling and power usage in a data center, those will become more economically feasible. And I think that'll actually be very, um,

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

And so we'll begin to see more purpose-built models because as the cost of scaling models comes down, the economics of creating purpose-built models that, you know, can't help you code or help you you know, write a cover letter for a resume, but can help you optimize cooling and power usage in a data center, those will become more economically feasible. And I think that'll actually be very, um,

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

Disruptive isn't the right word, but transformative for those industries. We'll see these very specific purpose-built models. And that's the real thing to watch, I think, for most leaders, most investors is where are these newer purpose-built models coming into my space, into my industry or industries? And what does that mean for the future of my company's

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

Disruptive isn't the right word, but transformative for those industries. We'll see these very specific purpose-built models. And that's the real thing to watch, I think, for most leaders, most investors is where are these newer purpose-built models coming into my space, into my industry or industries? And what does that mean for the future of my company's

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

um that'll be really interesting to watch we'll still see the hyperscalers spending an insane amount of money to build and develop these you know cutting edge models because there's just so much economic value add that those models can deliver that it almost doesn't matter how much money you you spend at it we're only limited by the actual technological limitations of the the chips that scale these models

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

um that'll be really interesting to watch we'll still see the hyperscalers spending an insane amount of money to build and develop these you know cutting edge models because there's just so much economic value add that those models can deliver that it almost doesn't matter how much money you you spend at it we're only limited by the actual technological limitations of the the chips that scale these models

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

That's one end of the spectrum or the bleeding edge of development. But again, for everybody else, what the DeepSeek R1 model demonstrated is companies will be able to develop models that are pretty good, not cutting edge, pretty good at a fraction of the cost. And at those economics, we can expect to see more specific purpose-driven models

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

That's one end of the spectrum or the bleeding edge of development. But again, for everybody else, what the DeepSeek R1 model demonstrated is companies will be able to develop models that are pretty good, not cutting edge, pretty good at a fraction of the cost. And at those economics, we can expect to see more specific purpose-driven models

Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast
DeepSeek and the Future of AI: A Nuanced Look at Cost Curves and Purpose-Built Models with Matt Wolf of RSM 2-2-25

AI models related to specific tasks or functions in given industries. And I think that will be very transformative in its own right.