Matt

I mean, when a man goes missing, even in a situation like that, like Malinowski, Michael Malinowski, I think is the name, the Pennsylvanian, they find his car, similar situation, just abandoned on the side of a road, some stuff in it, some stuff not in it, and they're like, ah, well, he probably jumped off a cliff. Oh, yeah. Into the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon.

I mean, when a man goes missing, even in a situation like that, like Malinowski, Michael Malinowski, I think is the name, the Pennsylvanian, they find his car, similar situation, just abandoned on the side of a road, some stuff in it, some stuff not in it, and they're like, ah, well, he probably jumped off a cliff. Oh, yeah. Into the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon.

You look at the Maura Murray, the Brandon Maitland... In those cases, I feel like there's a good reason to investigate it more closely. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't investigate the disappearances of men. I'm just saying that there are... We shouldn't treat them the same way, I guess. And I feel like in this situation, they were treated the same way.

You look at the Maura Murray, the Brandon Maitland... In those cases, I feel like there's a good reason to investigate it more closely. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't investigate the disappearances of men. I'm just saying that there are... We shouldn't treat them the same way, I guess. And I feel like in this situation, they were treated the same way.

So essentially, you're saying that women disappearing deserves more scrutiny.

So essentially, you're saying that women disappearing deserves more scrutiny.

In a weird way, yeah. Because men don't get trafficked as much. We do. Not as much. And when it's that close to an international border, one that is not particularly well monitored because it was Canada in 2004, you could get across with a driver's license at the time. That seems like trafficking should have been the first thing on anybody's mind. And you look at it and it's not.

In a weird way, yeah. Because men don't get trafficked as much. We do. Not as much. And when it's that close to an international border, one that is not particularly well monitored because it was Canada in 2004, you could get across with a driver's license at the time. That seems like trafficking should have been the first thing on anybody's mind. And you look at it and it's not.

Oh, maybe it was drugs. Maybe she ran away. Maybe she was murdered. There's a border right there.

Oh, maybe it was drugs. Maybe she ran away. Maybe she was murdered. There's a border right there.

Well, I guess the one thing that comes to my mind is, was trafficking as in the public consciousness at that point as it is now?

Well, I guess the one thing that comes to my mind is, was trafficking as in the public consciousness at that point as it is now?

Probably not, but if you're the police, it should be. It should be, yes. And I think that's what's been bugging me as I look over these cases is... Women and men are being treated the same way in cases where I don't think they should be. I think if you find that a man has disappeared, foul play is probably going to be murder. Even if it's an abduction, it's probably going to be murder.

Probably not, but if you're the police, it should be. It should be, yes. And I think that's what's been bugging me as I look over these cases is... Women and men are being treated the same way in cases where I don't think they should be. I think if you find that a man has disappeared, foul play is probably going to be murder. Even if it's an abduction, it's probably going to be murder.

With a woman, it's probably going to be trafficking, which should change the way you look at it. Amber Takaro, I think, was probably a trafficking victim. And maybe something went wrong. Maybe they decided that, you know, she was, it was too dangerous to keep her. You know, whatever reason, they decided to get rid of her.

With a woman, it's probably going to be trafficking, which should change the way you look at it. Amber Takaro, I think, was probably a trafficking victim. And maybe something went wrong. Maybe they decided that, you know, she was, it was too dangerous to keep her. You know, whatever reason, they decided to get rid of her.

You rarely see instances of, I guess I should say rarely see, but it is more frequent that women are kidnapped for trafficking or abuse than it is that they're just kidnapped to be randomly killed. And especially when you're not talking about serial killers.

You rarely see instances of, I guess I should say rarely see, but it is more frequent that women are kidnapped for trafficking or abuse than it is that they're just kidnapped to be randomly killed. And especially when you're not talking about serial killers.

with men there aren't that many reasons to kidnap a man unless you're gonna hold him for ransom or you're getting revenge for something so I think I probably didn't articulate this as well as I could have at the beginning but I think a big problem in these cases is you have police that aren't very well trained that are looking at everything as a homicide and

with men there aren't that many reasons to kidnap a man unless you're gonna hold him for ransom or you're getting revenge for something so I think I probably didn't articulate this as well as I could have at the beginning but I think a big problem in these cases is you have police that aren't very well trained that are looking at everything as a homicide and