Matt

And then GovBow was a whole other fucking thing that was 15, 20 different like think pieces.

And then GovBow was a whole other fucking thing that was 15, 20 different like think pieces.

That you're never going to get. You are never going to get what you want out of that one individual human being. It's impossible. And I don't think there's enough awareness of that or like, you know, people don't take accountability for their own actions in that regard.

That you're never going to get. You are never going to get what you want out of that one individual human being. It's impossible. And I don't think there's enough awareness of that or like, you know, people don't take accountability for their own actions in that regard.

Rule of culture number 76. Every level is a level. But of course, and it's also, it's like when you have something, when you have like something that you've put out there that people have really connected with and people have a relationship with you in that regard, it gets harder, which is why I'm happy you just deleted the shit because you're in creative mode right now and you need to be.

Rule of culture number 76. Every level is a level. But of course, and it's also, it's like when you have something, when you have like something that you've put out there that people have really connected with and people have a relationship with you in that regard, it gets harder, which is why I'm happy you just deleted the shit because you're in creative mode right now and you need to be.

I wanted to ask you, like, how is it going in terms of you treating yourself creatively?

I wanted to ask you, like, how is it going in terms of you treating yourself creatively?

This is an iconic woman in history.

This is an iconic woman in history.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's parasocial. I mean, what it is is it's like, I need to protect this person. They've expressed that they need help, or I feel like I'm projecting what I might need in that situation. But it's hard. You're saying when you look online, is it supposed to be a joke? Is this thing supposed to be funny in a time when we are...

It's parasocial. I mean, what it is is it's like, I need to protect this person. They've expressed that they need help, or I feel like I'm projecting what I might need in that situation. But it's hard. You're saying when you look online, is it supposed to be a joke? Is this thing supposed to be funny in a time when we are...

Right. When very few things- Life is not funny right now. Exactly. And meanwhile, it's like, that was a really complicated, weird time because it was like, I remember getting texts from people being like, are Bowen and Chappell okay? I was like, first of all, they don't really know each other that well. Second of all, I'm sure they are.

Right. When very few things- Life is not funny right now. Exactly. And meanwhile, it's like, that was a really complicated, weird time because it was like, I remember getting texts from people being like, are Bowen and Chappell okay? I was like, first of all, they don't really know each other that well. Second of all, I'm sure they are.

Third of all, why are we assuming that people don't have senses of humor? It's like, it's chaperone, y'all. It's like, I was watching your show and that's why I was describing you as like, there was like this fun pop Kesha element. You come out in this shit blonde wig and you're like, it's me, Chapel. Like, as if we weren't supposed to know. I'm like, this girl is funny. We're all having fun.

Third of all, why are we assuming that people don't have senses of humor? It's like, it's chaperone, y'all. It's like, I was watching your show and that's why I was describing you as like, there was like this fun pop Kesha element. You come out in this shit blonde wig and you're like, it's me, Chapel. Like, as if we weren't supposed to know. I'm like, this girl is funny. We're all having fun.

It's pop stardom. It's, you know...

It's pop stardom. It's, you know...