Matthew Cobb

And that's partly because science is more complicated.

It's done by teams.

But it's also, and people are wary of, you know, great men and all the rest of it, which is all fair enough.

But there's something else has changed, I think, in our attitude towards scientists and their willingness to put themselves to the fore in arguing their science and explaining it and so on.

And it tends to be mediated now by kind of, you know, TV figures or TikTok influences or sub-stackers or whatever.

That book.

Yeah, he'd worked there.

He'd been a founder member.

He'd been a founder fellow.

So he was recruited specially by Jonas Salk as being kind of a special fellow whose job was to find new people who would be permanent researchers working at the Salk.

So he'd been in, for about 10 years, he kind of had like dual membership and he had to travel a great deal when he found exhausting.

Yeah.

But in 76, he moves there permanently and is, yeah.

That's absolutely right.

You can see in the archives, there is the manuscript of this book article he was writing with Christoph Koch on the claustrum, which is this very thin, rather mysterious layer in the brain, which they didn't think was the seat of consciousness, but they thought it was doing something interesting.

Crick would look for anatomical structures that could perhaps play some kind of intermediate or

relay role or some gathering of information role in case that might be as they put it you know the site of neural correlates of consciousness not necessarily where it is but something that's consistently linked to it and on the manuscript you know you've got his very very shaky hand as he's changing words here and there

Christoph had to spend quite a few months afterwards knocking it into shape because it still was a bit strange.

But eventually it was published in 2005.

Absolutely.