Matthew Cobb

He never graded a paper.

He never did any of the... Apart from the year or so that he actually ran the SALP, which was a disaster and that it killed him, he had nothing to do with administration.

Whenever he was asked, he'd say...

I know nothing about it and I'm very poor at it.

So I think that the main thing is his collaborative work.

None of his discoveries came simply from him.

It was from this interaction with somebody else that he could really, and he developed that with somebody we haven't mentioned, a very strange bloke called George Kreisel, who was a mathematician who he met during the war.

And Kreisel was a philosopher and a logistician.

as well as a mathematician.

He knew Wittgenstein, introduced Crick to Wittgenstein, all sorts of things.

And he taught Crick how to think.

He made Crick think in this very precise way and ask questions and challenge ideas in these very intense interactions that he had with his colleagues.

Well, thanks, Eric.

It's been a fantastic experience.

I hope everybody who's watching now live and later on finds it interesting and is inspired to go and look at the book in your library or even to buy a copy or to listen to a copy because it's a good audio book too.

And this has been a really good conversation.

It's been fantastic.

About three years.

Another three years.