Matthew Cox

No, those are Phantom Concerts.

Oh, okay, that's right.

You get confused with all the players, I understand.

And so what he was able to get, he was trying to cultivate a relationship with me because I was reluctant to do business with him because I didn't want to cross lines.

The Israelis had their own operation.

And although I ultimately sold a lot of that product,

I dealt with John, who was dealing with Aria.

No, not because he was... I'm just saying.

No, no, because... They trust you.

Well, no, the thing is this.

He, you know, even if you're not a member of a particular group, they expect you not to behave in a manner that's going to cross them up.

And so I didn't want to cross lines because in the West L.A.

context, Aria was responsible for dealing with the Israelis.

And I just respected that boundary.

Like, I was very good at always staying in my lane.

And so, but he wanted to deal with me because I had access to the pharmaceuticals.

See, at the time, the Israelis were trafficking in a product called UFOs, known colloquially as flying saucers.

Well, that was essentially the Budweiser of it.

And so, although they had, you know, enormous loads, they weren't able to obtain the pharmaceuticals.

And so the top tier of the trafficking community, that's actually really how I established my reputation, is because the people that were in the know, they would come to me for their personals.